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Bug#821119: [debian-refcard] change build mechanism to improve layout for cs, el and sk
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Holger Wansing
2016-04-15 18:20:02 UTC
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Package: debian-refcard
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thanks


I saw that the pdfs for some languages suffer from some problems,
for example the copyright notice does not display all lines being
set up in the po file.
While playing around with this, I found that there is probably room
for improvement for the languages Czech, Greek and Slovak.
When building the pdfs with
make USE_DBLATEX=2 refcard-XX-a4.pdf
(this means using dblatex instead of xmlroff) I get a pdf with a correct
copyright notice, coloured URLs and better usage of the available space
on the sheet (somewhat smaller fonts, and no unused space as it was
before for Greek). And Greek gets some free space on the sheet, that was
very critical before, as the Greek language needs much space apparently.
There was absolutely no free space on the sheet before for Greek, the
whole space was needed.


A patch is attached, which changes the Makefile to build the above
languages accordingly.


What is needed next is a proofread of the resulting pdfs by mother-tongue
speakers for that languages, to ensure the displaying of fonts is still
ok, and the like.
I will try to get some proofreading on the respective l10n lists.



Best regards
Holger
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W. Martin Borgert
2016-04-17 16:40:04 UTC
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Post by Holger Wansing
When building the pdfs with
make USE_DBLATEX=2 refcard-XX-a4.pdf
(this means using dblatex instead of xmlroff) I get a pdf with a correct
copyright notice, coloured URLs and better usage of the available space
Note, that when I started the refcard, I tried four different
toolchains: dblatex, docbook2latex(?), fop, and xmlroff. I don't
remember now, but neither docbook2latex nor fop did work well
for this usecase. Depending on the language I had acceptable
results with dblatex or xmlroff. Unfortunately, both dblatex
and xmlroff are more or less "one person projects". While
xmlroff had no further development since many years, dblatex is
alive and kicking, integrating patches from others and getting
better with every release.

Maybe it is time to focus on only one tool, dblatex, and fix
remaining issues with it?
Holger Wansing
2016-04-17 20:10:02 UTC
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Hi,
Post by W. Martin Borgert
Post by Holger Wansing
When building the pdfs with
make USE_DBLATEX=2 refcard-XX-a4.pdf
(this means using dblatex instead of xmlroff) I get a pdf with a correct
copyright notice, coloured URLs and better usage of the available space
Note, that when I started the refcard, I tried four different
toolchains: dblatex, docbook2latex(?), fop, and xmlroff. I don't
remember now, but neither docbook2latex nor fop did work well
for this usecase. Depending on the language I had acceptable
results with dblatex or xmlroff. Unfortunately, both dblatex
and xmlroff are more or less "one person projects". While
xmlroff had no further development since many years, dblatex is
alive and kicking, integrating patches from others and getting
better with every release.
Maybe it is time to focus on only one tool, dblatex, and fix
remaining issues with it?
The intend to change cs, el and sk to use dblatex is a step in exactly
that direction then :-)

That would leave only ar, he, hi, ja, zh_CN and zh_TW for xmlroff.
And for that languages I am unable to build promising results with
dblatex, at least with the actual buildchain.

And more aggressive changes on the buildchain are probably out of my
skills.
However the Hebrew translator has already volunteered on working to
improve the build for he, so maybe there is a chance for some
improvement for he, if not for other languages as well.



Holger
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Holger Wansing
2016-04-21 20:00:02 UTC
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Hi,
Post by Holger Wansing
What is needed next is a proofread of the resulting pdfs by mother-tongue
speakers for that languages, to ensure the displaying of fonts is still
ok, and the like.
I will try to get some proofreading on the respective l10n lists.
I'm quoting the resulting pdfs here, for reference.
(Some translations are not 100% up-to-date, so there are probably some
english strings in there too.)


Holger
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2016-04-27 18:00:02 UTC
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Bug #821119 [debian-refcard] [debian-refcard] change build mechanism to improve layout for cs, el and sk
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Holger Wansing
2016-04-27 18:00:02 UTC
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Post by Holger Wansing
While playing around with this, I found that there is probably room
for improvement for the languages Czech, Greek and Slovak.
When building the pdfs with
make USE_DBLATEX=2 refcard-XX-a4.pdf
(this means using dblatex instead of xmlroff) I get a pdf with a correct
copyright notice, coloured URLs and better usage of the available space
on the sheet (somewhat smaller fonts, and no unused space as it was
Proofreaders for all these three languages have confirmed, that text
renders fine with dblatex, so I have committed this.
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Holger Wansing
2016-05-13 20:40:01 UTC
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Package: debian-refcard
Tags: patch
thanks


The attached patch switches the build chain for ar, hi and ml, to use dblatex
instead of xmlroff (patch by victory, thanks).

Please note, that the patch is only a draft, maybe other fonts would be
better. To sort this out, proofreaders for the respective languages are
needed and info from them, which fonts they prefer.
Since I didn't got answers from translators for this languages, I store the
draft as a bugreport.



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Holger Wansing
2016-06-27 20:10:01 UTC
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Control: rename -1 [debian-refcard] change build mechanism to dblatex for ar, ml
Post by Holger Wansing
Package: debian-refcard
Tags: patch
thanks
The attached patch switches the build chain for ar, hi and ml, to use dblatex
instead of xmlroff (patch by victory, thanks).
Please note, that the patch is only a draft, maybe other fonts would be
better. To sort this out, proofreaders for the respective languages are
needed and info from them, which fonts they prefer.
Since I didn't got answers from translators for this languages, I store the
draft as a bugreport.
Changings for Hindi applied today.

Bug renamed accordingly.


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victory
2016-06-27 20:40:01 UTC
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On Mon, 27 Jun 2016 22:07:58 +0200
Post by Holger Wansing
Control: rename -1 [debian-refcard] change build mechanism to dblatex for ar, ml
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Holger Wansing
2019-01-04 16:40:01 UTC
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Hi,
Post by Holger Wansing
Control: rename -1 [debian-refcard] change build mechanism to dblatex for ar, ml
Post by Holger Wansing
Package: debian-refcard
Tags: patch
thanks
The attached patch switches the build chain for ar, hi and ml, to use dblatex
instead of xmlroff (patch by victory, thanks).
Please note, that the patch is only a draft, maybe other fonts would be
better. To sort this out, proofreaders for the respective languages are
needed and info from them, which fonts they prefer.
Since I didn't got answers from translators for this languages, I store the
draft as a bugreport.
Changings for Hindi applied today.
dblatex is now used for all built languages, and xmlroff is no longer used.
(Unfortunately this means, that Arabic and Hebrew cannot be built anymore.)
Thus this bug can be closed.
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2016-06-28 18:30:02 UTC
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retitle -1 [debian-refcard] change build mechanism to dblatex for ar, ml
Bug #824222 [debian-refcard] [debian-refcard] change build mechanism to dblatex for ar, hi, ml
Changed Bug title to '[debian-refcard] change build mechanism to dblatex for ar, ml' from '[debian-refcard] change build mechanism to dblatex for ar, hi, ml'.
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Holger Wansing
2016-06-28 18:30:02 UTC
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Control: retitle -1 [debian-refcard] change build mechanism to dblatex for ar, ml


One more try to rename
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