there is missing info. in debian releases .

[shirish शिरीष]

Dear all,

I have been looking at the Debian releases wiki page over the last
several days and it seems lot of pages have the same missing content -

An example to share could be https://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie

Just a cursory look tells me that the page can be improved in number of ways -

a. It doesn't tell about the release name and version before Jessie
came into being. If memory serves right, that was wheezy.

b. It doesn't tell the distribution version release which superseded
it . This I know is Stretch.

c. Most importantly though, it doesn't tell what the lifecycle of a
certain version is . That info. is available only in the LTS page
https://wiki.debian.org/LTS

Now while I don't know the how these wiki pages are made, if the
release page use a certain template then we should modify that
template and also include the missing information at least till wheezy
.

I am open to git collaboration. Would be looking forward for any response.

[eamanu15]

Hello Shirish,

I agree.

I join you for collaboration, if you need it.

Regards!



El mar., 4 de sep. de 2018 a la(s) 18:56, shirish à€¶à€¿à€°à¥€à€· (

Post by shirish शिरीष
Dear all,
I have been looking at the Debian releases wiki page over the last
several days and it seems lot of pages have the same missing content -
An example to share could be https://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie
Just a cursory look tells me that the page can be improved in number of ways -
a. It doesn't tell about the release name and version before Jessie
came into being. If memory serves right, that was wheezy.
b. It doesn't tell the distribution version release which superseded
it . This I know is Stretch.
c. Most importantly though, it doesn't tell what the lifecycle of a
certain version is . That info. is available only in the LTS page
https://wiki.debian.org/LTS
Now while I don't know the how these wiki pages are made, if the
release page use a certain template then we should modify that
template and also include the missing information at least till wheezy
.
I am open to git collaboration. Would be looking forward for any response.
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Regards,
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[Javier Fernandez-Sanguino]

Post by shirish शिरीष
Dear all,
I have been looking at the Debian releases wiki page over the last
several days and it seems lot of pages have the same missing content -

The canonical content on Releases is available here:
https://www.debian.org/releases/

So, for stable, it is: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ (but you
can also use the codenames: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/)

A summary of all the releases in Debian is also available in the Project
History document:
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-releases.en.html

An example to share could be https://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie

Post by shirish शिरीष
Just a cursory look tells me that the page can be improved in number of ways -

Maybe the best is, as you say, to have a template (

Post by shirish शिरीष
a. It doesn't tell about the release name and version before Jessie
came into being. If memory serves right, that was wheezy.

This is because this information is captured in the above web pages and, in
the Wiki, in the following summary: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases

b. It doesn't tell the distribution version release which superseded

Post by shirish शिरीष
it . This I know is Stretch.

Again, this is in the general summary.

Post by shirish शिरीष
c. Most importantly though, it doesn't tell what the lifecycle of a
certain version is . That info. is available only in the LTS page
https://wiki.debian.org/LTS

The lifecycle is not set in stone, but, again, this is in the general
summary page in the Wiki

Post by shirish शिरीष
Now while I don't know the how these wiki pages are made, if the
release page use a certain template then we should modify that
template and also include the missing information at least till wheezy

I believe all the releases use the same Wiki template already or at least
it looks that way. Granted, they could have more information, but there is
so much benefit in repeating information that is also available in other
(higher level) views of the Debian Release cycle.

Best regards

Javier

[shirish शिरीष]

at bottom :-

Post by Javier Fernandez-Sanguino

Post by shirish शिरीष
Dear all,
I have been looking at the Debian releases wiki page over the last
several days and it seems lot of pages have the same missing content -

https://www.debian.org/releases/
So, for stable, it is: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ (but you
can also use the codenames: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/)
A summary of all the releases in Debian is also available in the Project
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-releases.en.html
An example to share could be https://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie

Post by shirish शिरीष
Just a cursory look tells me that the page can be improved in number of ways -

Maybe the best is, as you say, to have a template (

Post by shirish शिरीष
a. It doesn't tell about the release name and version before Jessie
came into being. If memory serves right, that was wheezy.

This is because this information is captured in the above web pages and, in
the Wiki, in the following summary: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases
b. It doesn't tell the distribution version release which superseded

Post by shirish शिरीष
it . This I know is Stretch.

Again, this is in the general summary.

Post by shirish शिरीष
c. Most importantly though, it doesn't tell what the lifecycle of a
certain version is . That info. is available only in the LTS page
https://wiki.debian.org/LTS

The lifecycle is not set in stone, but, again, this is in the general
summary page in the Wiki

Post by shirish शिरीष
Now while I don't know the how these wiki pages are made, if the
release page use a certain template then we should modify that
template and also include the missing information at least till wheezy

I believe all the releases use the same Wiki template already or at least
it looks that way. Granted, they could have more information, but there is
so much benefit in repeating information that is also available in other
(higher level) views of the Debian Release cycle.
Best regards
Javier

Dear all and specially Javier,

Thank you for sharing the links. There are number of things which I
feel could be done to make it better.

For instance -

https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases -

Do people think it would be a good or a bad idea to have a bad idea of
having different colors to show importance of the releases.

We could either have black or red for all obsolete releases, having
dark green color for the current release and pink or some other
desirable color for the testing release along with icons to specify
releases.

They could be color labels at the end of the page with different icons
( Maybe the 'codename' has its own icon which could be used.)

I share the idea of having colors and icons because there are people
who are colorblind so for them it might be useful.

The other thing which might be useful (perhaps) is to have the
debian-installer (D-I) pages linked from these pages. i.e.
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/

Even the Brief history link i.e.
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-releases.en.html
would do well to be linked from there so as to be more discoverable
for a newbie.

Whenever I try showing the debian wiki pages to newbies and students,
a lot of time is spent on clicking on different web-pages to get them
to the content.

Please note that I haven't even shared about Debian teams which
frankly speaking seems like an opportunity lost to attract
contributors.

It would be nice if we could structure it so people can discover how a
release works, the different teams that are there etc.

Let me know the thoughts and where the pages are on
https://salsa.debian.org/ddp-team

[jean-pierre giraud]

Hi Shirish,

Post by shirish शिरीष
Dear all,
I have been looking at the Debian releases wiki page over the last
several days and it seems lot of pages have the same missing content -
An example to share could be https://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie
Just a cursory look tells me that the page can be improved in number of ways -
a. It doesn't tell about the release name and version before Jessie
came into being. If memory serves right, that was wheezy.
b. It doesn't tell the distribution version release which superseded
it . This I know is Stretch.
c. Most importantly though, it doesn't tell what the lifecycle of a
certain version is . That info. is available only in the LTS page
https://wiki.debian.org/LTS
Now while I don't know the how these wiki pages are made, if the
release page use a certain template then we should modify that
template and also include the missing information at least till wheezy
.
I am open to git collaboration. Would be looking forward for any response.

For the points a and b, I think you are wrong: these infos are at the
bottom of the page under the title 'See also'
The first pages were based on DistributionReleaseTemplate (see for
exemple the header of the DebianSlink page in the wiki) but they are
made 'by hand'.
I think it's relatively easy to add missing information about LTS from
Squeeze onward.
I done it for Wheezy.
Regards,
Jean-Pierre Giraud